[22:11:31] <Fanci`> Question: Is this based on scrolls or IRC convention?

[22:11:31] <Fanci`> Does it require three neutral witnesses, or two parties to an act, plus one onlooker?

[22:11:32] * {CSF}nyla laughs softly...

[22:11:38] * Paloma chuckles and winks at Ky

[22:11:56] <Kytherea> this is based I think on the rules of the Blacks... for a kill

[22:12:09] <Fanci`> annnnnnd.... if there are not sufficient witnesses, does the Act disappear from History?

[22:13:13] <LadyIsollae> you can always find two, Fanci`

[22:13:27] * Fanci` laughs ... but are they objective?

[22:13:30] <JohnJ> from history maybe... but never from the heart I think

[22:13:36] <la`fleur{SK}> wonders is a girl might be allowed to speak..

[22:13:59] * Fanci` smiles .. let me recognize you in just a minute, la`fleur{SK}

[22:14:04] <StageMgr> la`fleur{SK}, raise your hand, and then Fanci` will recognize you. <soft smile>

[22:14:07] <LadyIsollae> hmmmmmmmmm, good question, Fanci`.....logs come to mind then.;)

[22:14:24] <la`fleur{SK}> thank you, Mistress Fanci` and Master StageMgr

[22:14:30] * Fanci` looks around

[22:14:32] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> logs can be faked

[22:14:33] * la`fleur{SK} raise her hand..

[22:14:49] * Kytherea nods to Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse

[22:14:53] <LadyIsollae> true, very true

[22:15:04] <Fanci`> indeed .. thus the reason that more than the Two Parties are needed, I suppose

[22:15:10] <JohnJ> all too often for my tastes

[22:15:38] * Fanci` nods .. that could happen

[22:15:55] <Fanci`> so .. perhaps the Three Witness rule is based on practical experience

[22:16:03] <Merigold> It sounds as though an Act is only stricken if it was witnessed by only 2 and the two disagree

[22:16:17] <Kytherea> and they are witnesses only.. not there to judge.. just to watch and log

[22:16:23] <Merigold> cause you'd need the third to break the tie, so to speak. but if there's just 2 and they agree no reason not to keep it.

[22:16:42] <Ky`ria> I would think then that the third of the 'witness' part would in fact have to be neutral for the sake of honesty in judging.

[22:16:58] <Ky`ria> judging even

[22:17:13] <Fanci`> I was never sure whether it was 3 outsiders .. or the two involved, plus an outsider

[22:17:28] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> how will you determine neutrality?

[22:17:32] <Kytherea> it was said.. three Free period

[22:17:40] <Fanci`> no slaves?

[22:17:55] <Ky`ria> an outsider? that would be neutral perhaps

[22:17:58] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> a slave might be ordered to lie

[22:17:59] <Korus> three witness to a happening not a part of the activity.

[22:18:20] <Korus> no, three Free Fanci

[22:18:35] <Merigold> a slave might be ordered to lie, but just order them to tell the truth and there you go.

[22:19:05] <Fanci`> la`fleur{SK} ... your question, dear?

[22:19:12] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> Merigold is the slave then to obey your order or her masters?

[22:19:15] <la`fleur{SK}> thank you Mistress Fanci`

[22:20:29] <Merigold> one imagines that the master has to either order their slave who was a witness to tell the truth, or be dishonored

[22:20:40] <Merigold> I mean I can't see them publicly telling their slave to lie and that being considered honorable.

[22:20:50] <la`fleur{SK}> this one believes that the *three* is two fold, Mistress Fanci...firstly there must be three Free present at an assassination...those three must not be involved in the attempt, but merely as witnesses...three because the third would be the backup in case of dispute....secondly...the *three* also is stated in that there must be at least three stanzas to a killing...

[22:21:00] <Fanci`> another possibility ... the event could take place on "neutral territory" where the slave didn't know either of the parties.

[22:21:12] * moon^light{MPS} raises her hand

[22:21:36] <la`fleur{SK}> there must be three stanzas for the kill to be considered legal...to give each a fair chance .. this is how this one was taught, Mistress Fanci..

[22:21:37] * Fanci` nods to la`fleur{SK} .. go on, dear

[22:21:49] * Fanci` smiles

[22:21:58] <Fanci`> I didn't know that :) that it was so structured. Thank you.

[22:21:58] <la`fleur{SK}> slaves were never involved, as they have NO say in the affairs of the Free, Mistress Fanci..

[22:22:03] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> that lying is no more dishonorable than stealing, which is the accepted manner of acquiring ones first slave

[22:22:22] <StageMgr> la`fleur{SK}... you were a FW?

[22:22:39] <la`fleur{SK}> yes, Mistress StageMgr..this one was FW..

[22:23:03] <StageMgr> trained as assassin?

[22:23:12] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> you would imply that trickery and stealth are dishonorable, how then are assassins an honorable caste?

[22:23:31] <la`fleur{SK}> no, Mistress but explained the codes of a killing Mistress..

[22:23:50] * SkyeStriker` smiles at LSQD's words

[22:24:00] <la`fleur{SK}> this one just happened to be a nosey FW and wanted to know exactly what was involved, Mistress..

[22:24:04] <StageMgr> it has been my experience, that either one is trained as an Assassin, or else was collared to an Assassin, to truly understand how the contract worked.

[22:24:26] * {CSF}nyla nods to Mistress StageMgr

[22:24:38] <la`fleur{SK}> well they will explain if asked, Mistress. smiles..

[22:24:45] <StageMgr> or else. <chuckles> been the victim of an assassin's contract.

[22:24:51] * Fanci` looks to moon^light{MPS} and smiles ... your thoughts, luv?

[22:24:51] <la`fleur{SK}> otherwise how would any know the legality of a kill, Mistress??

[22:24:59] <StageMgr> very few la`fleur{SK}.

[22:25:03] <StageMgr> very few know it.

[22:25:14] <Merigold> <grins> Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse - la`fleur{SK} is explaining how assassinations can be done honorably I think. :)

[22:25:22] <SkyeStriker`> The kill is one thing.. the contract of the kill another.. IMHO

[22:25:45] <moon^light{MPS}> Mistress Fanci`, i was just wondering if a slave's Master could, in private, order one to believe that the lie *is* the truth?

[22:26:10] * Merigold 's head spins at moonlights suggestion

[22:26:12] <Forkbeard> too much Brooklyn

[22:26:17] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> I merely point out that it can not be dishonorable to order a slave to lye

[22:26:20] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> lie

[22:27:25] <Merigold> well then, if it isn't Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse, then it also count be dishonorable to lie, in which case no number of witnesses does you much good, and whether they're free or not, what does it matter?

[22:27:29] * Fanci` looks to the clock and sees we have about 3 minutes to go in order to keep this within the promised 2 hour time frame.

[22:27:35] <Fanci`> last thoughts,  please :)

[22:27:35] <Forkbeard> slaves have no honor, they must lie if ordered to

[22:27:52] <Forkbeard> And what's worse, can't keep a secret

[22:28:18] * {CSF}nyla peeks up...contemplating raising her hand..but sits on them *giggle*

[22:28:25] * Fanci` laughs

[22:28:27] * moon^light{MPS} blinks