[21:49:49] * {CSF}nyla blinks!

[21:50:03] * breathy eyes grow round

[21:50:03] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> why not

[21:50:08] * Korus nods thanks!

[21:50:13] <Forkbeard> Of course---------->LOSE IN BATTLE

[21:50:14] * SkyeStriker` chuckles at Fanci...

[21:50:19] * Fanci` leans back and smiles

[21:50:30] <JohnJ> I'd say if Tarl can be enslaved as in the books.. then it's applicable

[21:50:34] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> there is certainly precedent

[21:50:46] <SkyeStriker`> Agreed

[21:50:48] <Fanci`> what kinds of things might happen here .. to have that result?

[21:51:07] * breathy listens carefully

[21:51:24] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> --------->LOSE IN BATTLE

[21:51:28] * LadyIsollae too much paga, perhaps..;)

[21:51:32] <Kytherea> if a Master submits.. in public.. then I believe his neck is open to wear steel...

[21:51:35] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> yes

[21:51:38] * Fanci` laughs to LadyIsollae

[21:51:39] <Kytherea> and this has happened

[21:51:42] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> drunkenness

[21:51:44] <Ky`ria> Pardon

[21:52:01] <Korus> be dishonorable

[21:52:13] <Korus> grossly

[21:52:30] <Fanci`> I know of a case .. where a Master destroyed the property of another (a Ubara) .. and Her price for restitution was His slavery.

[21:52:43] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> for instance by commiting suicide then returning the next day?

[21:52:59] <Grey0> he was dead, but he got better??

[21:53:00] * breathy chuckles at Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse's words

[21:53:01] <rosemerrie> lol Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse

[21:53:16] <Korus> yes Grey0

[21:53:30] * {CSF}nyla giggles til the red curls bounce

[21:53:46] * Kytherea turns her head.. chuckling at Grey0

[21:53:49] <Kytherea> gawwd

[21:53:55] <Ky`ria> I was recently witness to a Master, whether Gorean or not, was in a Gorean channel. And he willingly kneeled to a FW to be kolared. So would it not be also a case of the mindset of that particular 'Gorean' as well as the persuasion of the one with the kolar?

[21:54:01] <Fanci`> now yall! this was a serious question!

[21:54:24] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> heh heh

[21:54:33] * Forkbeard mumbles, "he wasn't really a Master"

[21:54:35] * breathy giggling softly

[21:54:37] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> if he was collared he was a slave

[21:54:38] * Kytherea looks contrite.. sorry Sister...

[21:55:25] <Kytherea> maybe he was overcome in someway mentally Forkbeard... Tarl submitted rather than face death

[21:55:32] <Ky`ria> Forkbeard Of that I have no doubt considering the swiftness with which he took to the kolar. But my point is that it does happen. And the person in question might argue the point.

[21:55:33] <Kytherea> he found Honor once more..

[21:55:35] <Fanci`> apparently the books give that precedent .. that one can, with a serious offense, demand the freedom of another. Does anyone here know of such a thing happening?

[21:56:12] <Forkbeard> Yes it does and probably more honorable then a lot of phonies on channel

[21:56:55] <SkyeStriker`> Is not the right of challenge open...?

[21:57:07] * Fanci` looks to SkyeStriker` .. I don't understand

[21:57:19] <SkyeStriker`> And in so doing the victor has the rights of his wishes

[21:57:21] <Ky`ria> Mental persuasion can be a great force to reckon with.

[21:58:02] * Paloma smiles fascinated as She gathers up all the new information being thrown at Her

[21:58:06] <Merigold> Is everyone in Gor either a Master or a slave?

[21:58:19] <breathy> a girl begs to leave but keep her name in channel to read later.. breathy needs to go do something Master requires of her at this time :)

[21:58:33] <SkyeStriker`> It is give Fanci.. on one can challenge another for an item.. person or property..

[21:58:36] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> free or slave

[21:58:38] * Kytherea states simply .. there are no switches in Gor

[21:58:45] <Fanci`> of course, breathy .. and we'll give you the log if necessary

[21:59:19] <breathy> a girl wishes to express her happiness in being allowed to bear witness and add her two cents worth

[21:59:23] <Korus> be well breathy

[21:59:25] * breathy hugs nyla

[21:59:28] <Fanci`> Kytherea .. the question of switches .. is one I'd like to include in a future Forum

[22:00:04] <Fanci`> I think its interesting and worth looking at, for as we know, o/l Gor is well-populated with switches

[22:00:12] <Kytherea> I agree Fanci.. lets include that topic in the future

[22:00:20] <Ky`ria> It is.... that is the nature of o/l

[22:00:43] <Forkbeard> OH online Gor, is sometimes a little slow <smile>

[22:00:57] * Fanci` still wants to know about Masters who have been enslaved ... not those who might willingly kneel for the steel

[22:01:00] <Merigold> I have heard that some Free Companions are submissive to their mates but dominant to their slaves, I think that might coutn as switch sorta. but it isn't changing from Master to slave exactly.

[22:01:25] * Paloma nods

[22:01:44] <Grey0> isn't it, Merigold???

[22:01:57] <Ky`ria> It is though

[22:01:57] <Forkbeard> That sounds interesting Merigold, was this in the open?

[22:02:02] <Grey0> you submit, then you are not a Master

[22:02:09] <SkyeStriker`> And what happens behind closed doors is jsut that behind closed doors.. not in public

[22:02:14] <Fanci`> the thinking is, I believe, that FW are naturally submissive to FMs .. are below them in rank order.

[22:02:26] <Merigold> <nods> so FW are switches?

[22:02:40] <Ky`ria> What about when a Master makes his slave into his Companion..is that not 'switching' in the true sense of the word

[22:02:46] * Korus grins

[22:03:01] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> how about this for a topic 'No Kill Zones' most gorean channels claim to be, but the concept is clearly absurd when viewed in the light of the real gor.

[22:03:04] <Fanci`> that is a question that is sometimes hotly debated .. whether the opinion of an FW carries less weight, in a discussion such as this, than that of a Master.

[22:03:20] <Forkbeard> Actually Fanci`, Norman had FW as cold and calculating, trying to be better then FM

[22:03:33] * Ky`ria won't get into the irckills discussion

[22:03:34] <SkyeStriker`> But what caused that LSQD

[22:04:20] <Forkbeard> What they couldn't take with steel, they would try with gile

[22:04:59] * SkyeStriker` nods to Forkbeard

[22:05:12] <Fanci`> Forkbeard .. one remembers Telena .. who rode the tarn .. and was no shrinking violet in the defense of the city. Norman didn't believe in wussy FWs.

[22:05:29] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> heh heh

[22:05:36] <Merigold> I dont think being implied to be switch means wussy.

[22:05:40] * Merigold hopes not anyway.

[22:05:42] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> or verna

[22:06:32] <Kytherea> Norman dint always portray them as cold and calculating..

[22:07:34] * Fanci` laughs .. do we have any kind of agreement here? Regarding the question of a Master being enslaved in a Gorean situation (that is, not playing games with his sweetie)

[22:08:00] <Kytherea> I have not heard any consensus..

[22:08:01] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> It must be permissible

[22:08:19] * Fanci` listens

[22:08:29] <LadyIsollae> or by capture

[22:08:34] <Fanci`> can anyone imagine an o/l situation where it might happen? Like .. hand to hand combat?

[22:08:41] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> I heard at least three or four saying so including my self

[22:08:47] <Fanci`> defeating an assassin's attempt, perhaps?

[22:08:48] <Ky`ria> It happens..just like a lot of things here happen

[22:09:40] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> [21:51] <JohnJ> I'd say if Tarl can be enslaved as in the books.. then it's applicable

[22:09:44] * Fanci` nods ... that would seem to be the case .. it CAN happen .. but clearly, rarely does.

[22:09:49] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> [21:51] <Forkbeard> Of course---------->LOSE IN BATTLE

[22:09:50] * JohnJ nods at that

[22:09:56] <Fanci`> LOLOL

[22:09:57] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> [21:51] <SkyeStriker`> Agreed

[22:09:58] <SkyeStriker`> How do you judge o/l combat?

[22:09:58] <Ky`ria> Even rarely counts Sister

[22:10:03] <Kytherea> I would like to have another topic too.. like why cant FW.. enjoy the ceremony of being "Blood" or sharing Salt....

[22:10:11] * Ky`ria grins

[22:10:12] * Fanci` nods and grins to the Lose In Battle comment

[22:10:15] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> [21:52] <Kytherea> if a Master submits.. in public.. then I believe his neck is open to wear steel...

[22:10:26] <Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse> that is a consensus

[22:10:31] * Fanci` nods

[22:10:34] <Forkbeard> yes

[22:10:38] <Fanci`> I think we're all pretty close here

[22:10:39] <SkyeStriker`> Indeed

[22:10:43] * Kytherea grins to Le_Serpent_Qui_Danse... yes but tis only mine..

[22:10:50] <Fanci`> which is interesting .. such a compatible group, we are!

[22:10:53] <Forkbeard> Honor cannot be compromised

[22:10:58] * Ky`ria snorts

[22:11:09] <Fanci`> now .. our final question, I think ... and a somewhat technical one

[22:11:15] <{CSF}nyla> ..sorta, M'Lady